Last month, the 4c Omnath version of Uro Pile was the top deck in Modern with 11.11%, and Sultai Uro had 2.05%. When it showed up in games, those games often revolved completely around Primeval Titan. Sheldon and the crew seem like great stewards of the game, and even though they will occasionally pass down some disappointing news (like bannings), they have done a great job of shaping and growing EDH as a whole. See this link for more on it. Is there some broken combo or deck that used it? When you have an opportunity to tutor for lands, it’s hard to find a reason not to get Urborg + Coffers, and tutoring for that pair happens almost every game in my group. Want a free 20/20? The game became about the primeval titan, if you weren't playing one you were still running things to abuse it. However, in the intervening time, graveyard hate has become stronger and the overall level of creature power has risen to the point where we’re comfortable—more so after some testing—that it won’t have the same impact. Primeval Titan is truly one of the strongest cards in Modern. Worldfire With Primeval Titan, it’s murky: an Amulet-fuelled Titan on T2 will kill before T4 unless the opponent has removal, but if it gets to attack once the game is surely lost. The game changed from 'who wins in MtG' to 'who can has Prime Time enter the battlefield the most'. Only one change was made; Gatecrash rare Sylvan Primordial is now banned in the format. For these purposes, we are treating a turn-three Hive Mind with a Pact (which forces your opponent to pay 2GG next upkeep or lose the game) as a turn-three win. Imo prime time was more than a staple; it forced green decks to build high curve to fit it in, therefore low curve decks were just worse. The line begins to blur, however, when cards like Primeval Titan and Sylvan Primordial are banned. I am personally glad it is banned and it should stay banned in my opinion. 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Reading through this plainly it is clear that “competitive balance” is not the goal per se, but for fans to simply enjoy the game as the creators of the game see it, which is the have a blast and make sweet memories of playing Magic! Its presence had a similar warping effect on the format in the early days, with too many decks reusing the Dragon over and over (even if it didn’t start in their deck!). Pro Tip! Right around m12 was the dark days of edh. Primeval Titan might be worthy of consideration for rehabilitation, but I think the card will still be too game-warping. Browse through cards from Magic's entire history. I wanted to convey my own thoughts on what changes could or should be made and why. Poor green, it can't keep its giants around. If you find a deck that could run them but doesn’t, it’s either because the deck builder has a moral reason for intentionally omitting them, or they are not building optimally. Format Philosophy Document Released Cookies help us deliver our Services. Kokusho, the Evening Star, From the official rules release: So, I’ll add up the decks playing one card or the other. Sweet! Search for the perfect addition to your deck. On the other hand, by the rules committee’s logic, [[Sol Ring]] and [[Cabal Coffers]] ought to be banned as well. There's a fine line between a staple card and an op card. 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Whenever Primeval Titan enters the battlefield or attacks, you may search your library for up to two land cards, put them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle your library. I've seen a few and it wasn't always bad, but it was abnormal most of the time. All from one lynch pin of a card. Well here are some reasons Valakut being banned over Primeval Titan would help the format: -Valakut as a deck could still be viable, it would simply morph into GR Mana Ramp. Why do you need more lands when you already have six? Vector Calculus, Linear Algebra, And Differential Forms 5th Edition Amazon, Baby Hooded Oriole, Target Altoona, Pa, Season Carbon Steel Wok In Oven, How To Stop Feeling Nauseous, Chicken Strips Motorcycle Tours, Peanut Butter And Jelly Wrap, How To Avoid Loss In Business, "/> The green ramp decks take a slight hit, Worldfire joins Upheaval and Sway of the Stars on the sidelines of the “bounce/wipe everything on the board” club, and you can now play with Kokusho as long as he’s not your Commander. Gruul Ponza by … Paradox Engine seems to have been banned for this very reason; just included in decks, it permitted endless durdling without actually generating a meaningful change in board state. An argument can be made that it wasn't that strong, that it wasn't changing the format THAT much, but the fact that you would ever play green and every single time people look at your deck without him would scoff at you for building not-ramp, chances are that the card was at least making edh less about ingenuity and creativity because of prime time. One of the concerns that we’ve had recently is the overrepresentation of heavy ramp strategies, to the point where it makes up a large proportion of the aggregate decks out there. Rarity: M Card Type: Creature Giant P / T: 6 / 6 Description: Trample Whenever Primeval Titan enters the battlefield or attacks, you may search your library for up to two land cards, put them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle your library. Primeval Titan is the reason decks like R/G Valakut and what’s left of the Amulet Titan deck exist. This banning was largely expected. My birthday celebration started a bit early this year when I found out the new banned list was coming out on the 20th and I was excited to see any potential changes come to Standard to stop utter Caw dominance. Flavor: When nature calls, run. Primeval Titan was being played in every green deck and was searching up lands that made games get big real fast. Creatures (17) The Commander format is all about picking your hero and building a deck around them. Just using it once is more than enough, and you usually can use it much more. On the same story that Green Sun's Zenith was banned in Modern. ", http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/commander/24889-Commander-Official-Banned-List-And-Format-Philosophy.html. Three color decks would run urborg and coffers even if they did not have enough swamps to justify the coffers on its own. Then the other players started cloning or copying the Titan, so it made the whole game focused on just him. You obviously didnt play when it was legal. I don’t think anybody will care the slightest bit about Worldfire, but the tradeoff of Primeval Titan for Kokusho makes the EDH environment a little less stale, at least for the time being. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. Highly recommended, like all the titans. So what does this mean? /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/IdCard.8fe90067a922ef36d4b6.css.map*/._2ppRhKEnnVueVHY_G-Ursy{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;margin:22px 0 0;min-height:200px;overflow:hidden;position:relative}._2KLA5wMaJBHg0K2z1q0ci_{margin:0 -7px -8px}._1zdLtEEpuWI_Pnujn1lMF2{bottom:0;position:absolute;right:52px}._3s18OZ_KPHs2Ei416c7Q1l{margin:0 0 22px;position:relative}.LJjFa8EhquYX8xsTnb9n-{filter:grayscale(40%);position:absolute;top:11px}._2Zjw1QfT_iMHH7rfaGsfBs{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;background:linear-gradient(180deg,rgba(0,121,211,.24),rgba(0,121,211,.12));border-radius:50%;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;height:25px;-ms-flex-pack:center;justify-content:center;margin:0 auto;width:25px}._2gaJVJ6_j7vwKV945EABN9{background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-button);border-radius:50%;height:15px;width:15px;z-index:1} better in Wizard-tribal decks, but is still really good on its own. In the world of EDH/Commander, the hammer has just fallen on Prime Time. Ponza. One excellent reason to run Blue. Sure he can fetch combos but I don't think that for 6 mana that's too broken, combo decks have lots of tutors and can go off far quicker than using a 6 mana minion. And everybody seems to miss that not just green changed. ._1PeZajQI0Wm8P3B45yshR{fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._1PeZajQI0Wm8P3B45yshR._3axV0unm-cpsxoKWYwKh2x{fill:#ea0027} If it was legal it would be in every deck I played. Winner - Primeval Titan A lands-based deck I do see thriving is the Primeval Titan deck enabled by Dryad of the Ilysian Grove , which was becoming a real presence in the metagame before Ikoria . Wizards of the Coast has banned Once Upon a Time in Magic: ... One of the best decks in Modern over the last few months has been Amulet Titan, which could take advantage of both the creature and land portions of Once Upon a Time to find Primeval Titan as well as its utility and double-mana lands. It's just too much value, and I think Sylvan Primordial should be banned for the same reason. Need a random utility land or 2? I mean, it was my favorite creature. This format consists of the most recent "Core Set" and the two most recent "Block" releases. It wouldn't be as potent, but it wouldn't need to focus as much on the mana acceleration or having twenty-eight lands. ._1x9diBHPBP-hL1JiwUwJ5J{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:#ff585b;padding-left:3px;padding-right:24px}._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4{height:16px;padding-right:4px;vertical-align:top}._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5{height:20px;padding-right:8px;vertical-align:bottom}.QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{height:18px;padding-right:8px;vertical-align:top}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 .QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)} If there was a Primetime in someone's deck, and you had no way to profit, you had no chance of winning*. In fact, a guy in my playgroup makes a very convincing argument that Coffers should be banned. Too bad Prime-Time is banned! With today’s update to Wizards’ official banned lists, the Commander team also announced their changes. Power / Toughness: 6/6: Legal Formats: Modern, Legacy, Vintage, Commander1v1: Banned Formats: Commander Field is also played in Uro decks, but it started out as a key card in Primeval Titan decks, and that hasn’t changed. It's a powerful effect but I don't see why it's so much more broken than the other Titans. I was just stating that I think it's banned for a good reason. The truth is, Primeval Titan is an enabler. The following is the official banned list for commander games. HOW TO PLAY COMMANDER. Some people tell me it is and some people tell me it isn't. Yes, Primeval Titan and Sylvan Primordial are game-breaking if recurred. It remains banned as a commander because the mechanics of being a commander allow it to circumvent the best method of dealing with it—the aforementioned graveyard hate. It's not wizards that does the banning, the Rules Committee is a separate entity. This card made green decks build around it and ultimately made green less flexible or original. These cards are not legal without prior agreement from the other players in the game, and may steer your playgroup to avoid other, similar cards. Blood Moon is incredibly powerful against “bounce land tribal,” and we’re just starting to see decks use it to shut down Primeval Titan and friends. Kokusho Every color that could reanimate, steal, control, or flicker, suddenly had a stellar target. It got banned because it centralized the game. Go grab an urborg and a cabal coffers. Gatherer is the Magic Card Database. See cards from the most recent sets and discover what players just like you are saying about them. It was in every single green deck. ._3Im6OD67aKo33nql4FpSp_{border:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-widgetColors-sidebarWidgetBorderColor);border-radius:5px 5px 4px 4px;overflow:visible;word-wrap:break-word;background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);padding:12px}.lnK0-OzG7nLFydTWuXGcY{font-size:10px;font-weight:700;letter-spacing:.5px;line-height:12px;text-transform:uppercase;padding-bottom:4px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-navIcon)} Want tons of mana? More Info: For special rulings visit the Gatherer page. Whenever Primeval Titan enters the battlefield or attacks, you may search your library for up to two land cards, put them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle your library. Kokusho, the Evening Star, Banned as Commander: Edit: prime time ban philosophy by rules committee: "One of the concerns that we've had recently is the overrepresentation of heavy ramp strategies to the point where it makes up a large proportion of the aggregate decks out there. Flavor Text: When nature calls, run. While we think ramp should be good—this is battlecruiser Magic, after all—it’s probably a little too prevalent and needs reining in a bit. Perhaps the more interesting thing than today’s Banned update was the parallel release of the “Official Banned List and Format Philosophy Document.” The keepers of the flame in EDH/Commander have released an insightful look into how they make their guiding decisions about the Banned list, and how they wish the format to appear (note: it would be really sweet if Wizards of the Coast would do this for sanctioned formats like Vintage!). We looked into which card could be banned to reduce the frequency of the very early wins. Its an extremely powerful card. Primeval Titan was really the first ban that really hit home for me, and I was upset about it for a while. Whenever Primeval Titan enters the battlefield or attacks, you may search your library for up to two land cards, put them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle your library. Thespian Stage and Dark Depths. They are essentially auto-includes for decks that support their color identities. Unfortunately for fans of Magic: The Gathering Modern, it seems pretty obvious that the most recent round of bannings has failed to address a major player in the format that was already performing well during the Urza deck's reign at the top: Primeval Titan strategies. You may use any printing of a card that has an appearance in a standard legal set. Primeval Titan dominated its time in Standard. Ramp is still king for non-cutthroat EDH. I think now, with lots of cards and commander sets being added he wouldn't be as format warping. Modern Amulet Titan. .s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);padding-top:5px}.s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f._19JhaP1slDQqu2XgT3vVS0{color:#ea0027} Getting it into exile as a creature is the end of it. If there were a sorcery for 4GG that did Prime Time's effect, I'd call it a good card. Trample Whenever Primeval Titan enters the battlefield or attacks, you may search your library for up to two land cards, put them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle your library. While the card itself isn’t overpowered, it does have unfortunate interactions with the format, namely that the commander is available to be cast even after the spell has resolved, and our philosophy is to avoid cards like that. At the time, [card]Primeval Titan[/card] was a new kid on the block and didn’t get much attention among the Titan family. Primeval Titan is dripping with awesomeness, and we ourselves are big fans of the card. Unlike…. Basically every deck runs [[Sol Ring]] because the ramp is too good to pass up and every black deck should probably run Coffers + Urborg. Frost Titan - outstanding giant. If it just tutored up basics or forests, it'd still be powerful, but I don't think it would be as big of a deal. Many writers whose content I read and whose opinions I respect have weighed in on what they believe could or should be banned or unbanned. While I don’t believe Ponza is necessarily a contender in most metagames, it really shines when Amulet Titan and Tron are popular choices. It’s appropriate that Kokusho comes off at the same time as Prime Time goes on, as Kokusho was originally banned along the same lines. While we think ramp should be good—this is battlecruiser Magic after all—it's probably a little too prevalent and needs reining in a bit. ._2cHgYGbfV9EZMSThqLt2tx{margin-bottom:16px;border-radius:4px}._3Q7WCNdCi77r0_CKPoDSFY{width:75%;height:24px}._2wgLWvNKnhoJX3DUVT_3F-,._3Q7WCNdCi77r0_CKPoDSFY{background:var(--newCommunityTheme-field);background-size:200%;margin-bottom:16px;border-radius:4px}._2wgLWvNKnhoJX3DUVT_3F-{width:100%;height:46px} EDIT: I know that Sylvan Primordial is banned. But its ubiquity and effect on games couldn't be ignored and sad though we are to see it go we think it will make for a more interesting and diverse format. Without Amulet, T2 Summer Bloom into T3 Primeval Titan often effectively ends the game, but the actual finishing blow doesn’t come for … Watching the SCG Invitational this weekend, I heard Matthias Hunt refer to it as a “one-card combo.” The decks that play it will win if they untap, or even right on the spot. 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In this casual, multiplayer format, you choose a legendary creature to serve as your commander and build the rest of your deck around their color identity. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. A better design would have been for the trigger to fetch two basic lands, or two forests. I found this article from 2012 announcing its banning … It got banned because it centralized the game. This decision won't be universally popular. To start off, let’s address the elephants in the room. It's very strong. ._3-SW6hQX6gXK9G4FM74obr{display:inline-block;vertical-align:text-bottom;width:16px;height:16px;font-size:16px;line-height:16px} It grabs non-basics, which means if you have landfall cards in your deck, you can tutor up two fetch lands, crack them that turn, and start uncontrollably shitting out tokens, +1/+1 counters, and everything else under the sun. 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